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  Faithful and Discrete Slave Apostate Stew – BQA, Watchtower May 2015 (Part I)

  by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was curious to know what stew was brewing in the faithful and discrete slaves apostate kitchen.

  where better to find out than the watchtower scullery.

  i opened the watchtower, may 2015 pot, and was immediately hit with the stench of deception and false-doctrine which almost completely knocked me out.

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  Half banana

  Doc, you should get more sleep or respond with an argument...”boring” is not an argument.
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  Interesting point about elders appointment by holy spirit (apostacy case)

  by joe134cd in

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  2. child-abuse

  i was just listening to a jc for apostasy on jwstruggle.

  the issue was raised if elders are appointed by holy spirit, then why is there such an issue with sex abuse.

  the answer was given (and i thought it was quite true) well jesus was the son of god and he appointed judas under holy spirit, just to have him turn on him.

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  Half banana

  In a way I'm rather surprised that so many here who have left the Borg even for many years are still troubled by what the Bible says.

  Holy spirit indeed...no such thing! Judas appointed by Jesus by holy spirit...just a story line and not an original one at that. It is a human document and has no evidence of supreme impeccable wisdom and its interpreters never get things right. The whole caboodle is to marshal submissive idiots who believe magic tales of gods and demons.The moral of this is not to be led by religious “Bible based” leaders...they only have authority over you if you want to believe it be so.

  My response is that the Watchtower religion is just as fraudulent in its claim to authority as the Jesus story was in the fourth century. It is all irrelevant to the needs of thinking people. Non thinking accepters of religious hearsay have used these stories as a foundation for directing their lives; they miss out on the joys of making their own determinations in a free society.
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  Summarize every the meeting in 20 seconds

  by Sour Grapes in

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  2. friends

  the world is full of wickedness.. the end is very near.. we must do more.. how thankful we are for the governing body.

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  God so loved the world he created the governing body, worship them and give us your money. (4 seconds)
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  Thank God For Disfellowshipping!

  by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had the misfortune of being born into the jw faith.

  however, i thank god every day that i was disfellowshipped otherwise i would never have found the truth.

  good riddance to the watchtower bible track societys false publications, especially that book they claim contains the holy scriptures it is deceitful and full of darkness, and gets darker with every revision!

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  Half banana

  Hi Nicola, it's good that you escaped the Watchtower stranglehold but by golly! you are still in there believing unsupportable fairy tale teachings and wrangling with the devil. I’m glad that you at least feel good about this! (Be prepared to find out the TTATBible as well).
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  Dream agenda

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we have probably all made comparisons of the theocracies of islam and jehovahs witnesses.

  they both have a dream agenda; the former has an islamic world caliphate and jws the earthly paradise.

  the distinction between the two is that paradise for jws is an idea which permanently remains in the future and moves forward like the proverbial donkeys dangling carrot does, being attached to the animal, which is a most apt metaphor for the way the jw org functions.

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  Half banana

  We have probably all made comparisons of the theocracies of Islam and Jehovah’s Witnesses. They both have a dream agenda; the former has an Islamic world caliphate and JWs the earthly paradise.

  The distinction between the two is that paradise for JWs is an idea which permanently remains in the future and moves forward like the proverbial donkey’s dangling carrot does, being attached to the animal, which is a most apt metaphor for the way the JW org functions. The caliphate on the other hand is of this world and of human making.

  Both ideas oppress the human spirit and as evidence of this the destruction of the archaeological site of Nimrud in Syria by explosives and the looting of museums all in the name of Allah, is sickening to anyone with the slightest sensitivity to the whole picture of human needs, culture and creativity.

  Fundamentalist Islam tells the world that all who do not sympathise with them will be killed just as JWs foolishly teach.

  What is the best way to counter this grotesque streak in human nature?
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  Who REALLY believed in the idea of living forever on earth??

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  seriously.....even when you were 100% in "the truth", did you really believe in living forever?

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  That was the lure: not dying. It was unrealistic, as was the idea of resurrecting masses of the dead. Yet I believed it.

  It suddenly struck me... how could I live forever under the thumb of the WTBTS? It could not be paradise with these guys in the role of ‘princes’ forever breathing down your neck. That was the clincher for me.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ... Proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first edition of the watchtower magazine, july 1879, made the following comment on page 5 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  exactly 136 years later the latest edition of the watchtower magazine, july 2015, (paragraph 3) made the following comment on page 15 regarding how "soon" the end of this system will come:.

  jehovah's witnesses ... proclaimers of "soon, very soon" since 1879.. .

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  Will somebody please once and for all; turn of that damned kingdom alarm bell ...it's been ringing now for two thousand years!
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  My first "disagreement" with standard JW thinking

  by TTATT_Paladin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  about two years after i was baptized, i had this incident.

  i looked at it as an isolated incident at the time, but now realize it would have had basically the same result with 99.99% of any jws not members here.. i will keep it short.

  i was talking with a person who was raised in the religion.

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  You could ask the JW who thinks that they will go back to speaking ancient Hebrew; will they also restore the original bovine headed idol Yahweh, his consort Ashera and the Canaanite pantheon as well?
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Half banana

  Belief is a necessary mental component of being human. It directs our personal responses to situations and directs our actions.

  There are useful beliefs and there are harmful beliefs. The key to useful belief is that it is based on evidence.

  Many people hold on to ideas they proudly claim are their religious beliefs. They invest their emotional attachment to these beliefs for existential comfort even though they are based on unprovable fictions such as claiming that the source of the beliefs are invisible spirits.

  “Jesus loves me” is an unprovable belief, it is also an un-disprovable one and therefore one which cannot logically be built upon, philosophically it is therefore irrelevant.

  Gravity, although invisible, has measurable properties which extend beyond the Earth, this is both provable and potentially disprovable which makes the belief a useful proposition from which further constructs can be made.

  If something is believed to be beyond the five senses...why waste time on it? If you give your life to something which is not recognised by the five senses or cannot be measured; then you have wasted your life.
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  I'm confused about the Memorial? Great crowd?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this was my first memorial thinking outside of the box.

  last year i was starting to have questions but this is the first year i noticed a lot of bs.

  can anyone clarify a few things for me?.

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  Half banana

  It must be worthwhile understanding how these things relating to the rituals of the spring equinox are all of pagan origin. By pagan is meant that of the villagers, from the peasant culture as opposed to those who saw themselves educated and above the common herd.

  Jewish paganism was apparent in the sacrifice of the lamb. It was the spring celebration for the sheep and goat pastoralists for the purpose of warding off evil by ritually killing and eating the young animal. The matzo element (pronounced motza by Jews who I have heard) comes from the spring celebration of the arable farmers of early Israel who gratefully celebrated the early barley harvest with the unleavened flat-bread.

  The whole idea of these rituals taking place at the equinox was because the time was considered to be the moment when the Sun God annually sacrificed his life and returned to his solar father which rustic myth explained in the greatly increased sunlight at this time in the northern hemisphere.

  The symbols of bread and wine had been in common use in the popular Mithraic cult which had been favoured by the Romans although coming from Persia and with Indian influences. The Mithraic symbols were almost exactly the same as Jesus Christianity adopted, bread (or cakes) and wine, symbolic of the saviour Mithras’ body and blood, partaken once a year in remembrance. These origins ultimately are drawn from cannibalistic ritual. Catholic Christianity borrowed wholesale from Mithraism and to such an extent that they rendered the latter religion deflated and in terminal decline.

  I suggest that to quote what Jesus is supposed to have said as ‘gospel’ is a mistaken authority. His words were never recorded; they are the writings of the cult protagonists whose words were sanctified by the inclusion into the first Bible made by the Roman Catholic selection of texts in the fourth century. As exemplified by the Catholic Church back then, triumphant in crystallising and syncretising the Christ-cult on their own terms and in favour of Roman imperialism; the truth of any religious matter is a distant second to political control over the worshippers. A lesson well understood by the GB.

  The rituals are now so irrelevant to the point of being obsolete except for those who take this hocus-pocus literally.